Curse

Teh Jace · Mar 07, 2008, 11:01 AM // 11:01

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Originally Posted by subNinja

5) Okay now I KNOW you haven't played HC. Shatter sins OWN HC monks. Period. You have a shatter sin riding the HC, and another melee pretty much anywhere.... that HC is going to burn his energy so fast (since he can't maintain his elite) and basically be an elite-less heal monk. SA takes off two enchants (dual attack), which is HC and vigorous. If the monk was lucky, and had those up PLUS patient spirit (very lucky) you'll get it in 8 seconds when your next SA is up.

I'm telling you. HC is not monk spike. HC is just a lot different from WoH, in its playstyle and counter.

oh my god... SA sins dont own HC guys. A HC monk with brain watch a sin comin watch his combo and covers his elite quickly with 2 ench - vigorous spirit and patient spirit both of which ara spammable. So u need an extra ench removal to actually strip HC.

Remove HC and apply sig of humility? This might work against HC monk played by 80 years old grey-beard suffering from brain injury.

And u know all these spammage builds are just plain bad. A regular monk has to watch the battlefield, has to keep info about enemy war adren and watch possible prot removals incomin while HC guy just press 1 2 3 4. Thats why skilled players whine about this. U dont have to be experienced u dont have to know how to monk properly u dont have to watch ur enemy... and its still enough for victory. Make HC cost 10e and its gg.

The Unknown X · Mar 07, 2008, 12:36 PM // 12:36

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Originally Posted by Teh Jace

Remove HC and apply sig of humility? This might work against HC monk played by 80 years old grey-beard suffering from brain injury.

Tried using Sig of Humility first?... Anyway I've done it and it works. (I didn't ask if they guy was 80 years old with a gray beard and a brain injury.)

I hear a lot of people making up excuses as to why they can't run certain builds to counter this. HC Monk are extremely common now so if you were to run a Dom Mesmer you could probably clean up in TA. Even though you claim it's not a suitable option. I think you just want to carry on running your Magebanes and not change build to suit the current state in TA.

Shatter Assaults don't work....I won't even argue with this, I don't think I need to.

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Originally Posted by urania

for all u petty smartasses defending the HC template...NO.
go play...minesweeper or sth.

Thankyou for proving atleast one of my points.

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

Honestly I think some people need to come down of their high horses and stop trying to tell players which builds they can and can't run as voted by the majority gwGuru community. If you're all as skilled as what you claim to be then you really shouldn't have any worries, should you?

Telling people to go play Mindsweeper because they're playing a build YOU don't like is hardly constructive or mature.

Teh Jace · Mar 07, 2008, 12:44 PM // 12:44

Any build which requires no brain to play and remain insanely powerful is bad for the state of the game. If u say otherwise u are fool cuz this game slowly degenerates to something rly awful (HC spammers in TA, loads or R/D shitheads in HA, bspike everywhere). Its not only my opinion its the fact.

dom mesmers are generally weak in TA, it has already been proved.
Compare role of gvg dom mesmer na TA dom mesmer. In gvg mesmer is under protection of shields up (used to be) and aegis chain so he can point at enemy ranger and laugh since rangers usually have to carry cripshot and no magebane.

In TA its mesmer with nerfed gole vs loads of interrupts (and unblockable magebane as a bonus)... pretty much gg if u ask me. Ofc mesmer will roll HC way cuz they have no interrupts besides kds and maybe disarm. But against the regular balanced template its fail.

urania · Mar 07, 2008, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

Thankyou for proving atleast one of my points.

Telling people to go play Mindsweeper because they're playing a build YOU don't like is hardly constructive or mature.

u arent from around here, are ya, buddy? read any of my other posts..? from all the reasoning i made already i DO NOT feel like repeating myself each and everytime someone says HC should be used/is just another template/is easy to kill. apparently u have no clue what the main problem of a HC spammity spam spam build is. that, or u are just another abuser.
or both.
"If you're all as skilled as what you claim to be then you really shouldn't have any worries, should you?" <-- plol.

at jace, sometimes its hard to kill even with HC being completely shutdown...had to experience that once with my ra team. somehow the rit managed to keep up with the healing merely by using weapon of shadow, weapon of warding and blind was xy along with the few heal spells the build has (it was a 2 derv spike build), so reserving a shame for the smiter or rit is a must, i guess...which leaves the hc spammer alone for a few secs to spam away =P

The Unknown X · Mar 07, 2008, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by urania

u arent from around here, are ya, buddy? read any of my other posts..? from all the reasoning i made already i DO NOT feel like repeating myself each and everytime someone says HC should be used/is just another template/is easy to kill. apparently u have no clue what the main problem of a HC spammity spam spam build is. that, or u are just another abuser.
or both.
"If you're all as skilled as what you claim to be then you really shouldn't have any worries, should you?" <-- plol.

Aha typical elitism. Don't presume to know anything about me or where I'm from either "buddy"

Running an HC isn't abuse for starters. Its just another build and it has it's own downfalls. You talk about how the condition removal is good. It is good but only on one player for 12 seconds. I agree that the build is mostly spam whilst being able to maintain energy and that requires a lack of skill. Yet it's a great build for new players to get to grips with when their learning to Monk. Atleast it gives them a fighting chance to enjoy the game without getting mashed by players that have been playing since the game first came out.

Yet instead of being able to ENJOY the game because thats all it is, its a GAME. You make assumptions, insult and judge people just because they don't share the same opinion as you.

Come down of your pedastal, buddy.

Teh Jace · Mar 07, 2008, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Lol at HC bar teaches ppl how to monk. And if sending dumb gimmickers to hell is considered as elitism... pls more elitism.

the_deSKtructor · Mar 07, 2008, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

Atleast it gives them a fighting chance to enjoy the game without getting mashed by players that have been playing since the game first came out.

What? The game should reward player skill, not players bar ._.

The Unknown X · Mar 07, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

What? The game should be about enjoyment. Not reward.

Putting an inexperienced HC Monk against a very experienced Prot Monk (In a theoretical situation lets say both teams had the same offense) I would put my money on the team with the Prot Monk. The HC would just last longer than he normally would, therefore getting in more experience. Maybe I'm wrong on this I don't know and I don't care this is just what I think.

yum · Mar 07, 2008, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

Aha typical elitism. Don't presume to know anything about me or where I'm from either "buddy"

Running an HC isn't abuse for starters. Its just another build and it has it's own downfalls. You talk about how the condition removal is good. It is good but only on one player for 12 seconds. I agree that the build is mostly spam whilst being able to maintain energy and that requires a lack of skill. Yet it's a great build for new players to get to grips with when their learning to Monk. Atleast it gives them a fighting chance to enjoy the game without getting mashed by players that have been playing since the game first came out.

Yet instead of being able to ENJOY the game because thats all it is, its a GAME. You make assumptions, insult and judge people just because they don't share the same opinion as you.

Come down of your pedastal, buddy.

I herd running UB teach ppl how to play GW.

And BTW, dom mes fails against HCway too. You cant sustain the pressure if they bring 2 good warriors, and your team will be likely to be wiped b4 theirs.

The Unknown X · Mar 07, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Ok, maybe I worded a previous post wrong. I'm not trying to say that HC is the best way to teach a new player how to Monk, what I mean is they will probably get more enjoyment and a little more confidence from doing so. If that makes any sense.

I agree to an extent with some of the problems with the build and acknowledge them, but I can't really take it so seriously as going on a witch hunt and flaming all the players that use it.

Sab · Mar 07, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

Aha typical elitism. Don't presume to know anything about me or where I'm from either "buddy"

whoru?

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

Running an HC isn't abuse for starters. Its just another build and it has it's own downfalls. You talk about how the condition removal is good. It is good but only on one player for 12 seconds. I agree that the build is mostly spam whilst being able to maintain energy and that requires a lack of skill. Yet it's a great build for new players to get to grips with when their learning to Monk. Atleast it gives them a fighting chance to enjoy the game without getting mashed by players that have been playing since the game first came out.

The effectiveness of a build should correlate to its difficulty in use. HC is powerful, yet requires a disproportionately small amount of effort to run. If you don't see a problem with that existing in a *competitive* environment, then I suggest you stick to the cooperative aspects of GW.

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

Yet instead of being able to ENJOY the game because thats all it is, its a GAME. You make assumptions, insult and judge people just because they don't share the same opinion as you,

No one has a problem with different opinions. They do have a problem with people with different opinions that are based on arguments such as: OMG IT'S JUST A GAME I WANT TO HAVE FUN

The Unknown X · Mar 07, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Sab

OMG IT'S JUST A GAME I WANT TO HAVE FUN

Sorry where did I write that. You stink of immaturity, not even worth my time.

valence · Mar 07, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Unknown, players play the game.

Builds shouldn't play for the players.

HCway can be implemented into zaishen arena and you don't see a difference in playstyle for most people running it.

New players that want to get good at the game, will not get any better at the game by playing this garbage. Better yet, my friend was over 2 weeks ago and I was sitting next to him. He wanted to start pvp'ing as a monk and indeed I gave him the HC bar. His playstyle was sooo bad, and I'm quite sure the build just made it worse. He teached himself bad habits and nothing else. When I gave him a zb bar, he failed faster (couse the build doesnt hide his failing) but at least he learned himself to look around, see where to cast his stuff instead of mindless spamming.

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

Yet instead of being able to ENJOY the game because thats all it is, its a GAME. You make assumptions, insult and judge people just because they don't share the same opinion as you.

Come down of your pedastal, buddy.

Read their postS first.

Edit: Sab beats me and explained it better.

The Unknown X · Mar 07, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by valence

Unknown, players play the game.

Builds shouldn't play for the players.

HCway can be implemented into zaishen arena and you don't see a difference in playstyle for most people running it.

New players that want to get good at the game, will not get any better at the game by playing this garbage. Better yet, my friend was over 2 weeks ago and I was sitting next to him. He wanted to start pvp'ing as a monk and indeed I gave him the HC bar. His playstyle was sooo bad, and I'm quite sure the build just made it worse. He teached himself bad habits and nothing else. When I gave him a zb bar, he failed faster (couse the build doesnt hide his failing) but at least he learned himself to look around, see where to cast his stuff instead of mindless spamming.

Read their postS first.

Edit: Sab beats me and explained it better.

Fair enough comments. I thank-you for being a little more mature than the others in your response.

I have read all the posts on here. I do agree that the build requires no skill to play and have said so in atleast two of my post's.

However I change builds a lot and I like to try new things. I like variety, so I've used the HC build. I've also used many prot builds. Yet everyone insults and flames when people try to use these builds, even if there just trying it out to see what it's like. According to you people I'm a scrub or something. You just need to look at all the post's on here to see that.

I also notice that you said the first thing you thought of to help your friend get into PvP Monking was give him the HC bar, so you did start out with the same theory as me until you saw the end result which I have noway of putting intoo practise. Unless I try to get my brother to play but he wouldn't even have a clue how to activate a skill let alone anything else.

urania · Mar 07, 2008, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

Aha typical elitism. Don't presume to know anything about me or where I'm from either "buddy"

Running an HC isn't abuse for starters. Its just another build and it has it's own downfalls. You talk about how the condition removal is good. It is good but only on one player for 12 seconds. I agree that the build is mostly spam whilst being able to maintain energy and that requires a lack of skill. Yet it's a great build for new players to get to grips with when their learning to Monk. Atleast it gives them a fighting chance to enjoy the game without getting mashed by players that have been playing since the game first came out.

Yet instead of being able to ENJOY the game because thats all it is, its a GAME. You make assumptions, insult and judge people just because they don't share the same opinion as you.

Come down of your pedastal, buddy.

you have just succeeded in completely discrediting all of your past as well as future posts.

you're a typical oh-how-unfair-it-is-to-get-owned-by-exp-player pve begginner who prefer to qq about (often imaginitive ^_^) elitism instead of trying to learn how to improve.

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

Sorry where did I write that. You stink of immaturity, not even worth my time.

pLOL. big pLOL.

sab, u've just been dismissed!

anyway, where's the magical mod wand when u need it

The Unknown X · Mar 07, 2008, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Here we go...

"Yes someone doesn't share our opinion lets close the thread"

Teh Jace · Mar 07, 2008, 06:46 PM // 18:46

Hello Mr. Mature. U should take a look at our posts again. Noone blamed u for playing this build. We all have played it otherwise we wouldnt be discussing it here.

I think u started something about doing homeworks or not?

Gimmicks in TA are even worse than anywhere else. Its much more harder to deal with gimmick with 4 ppl on ur side than with 8. 32 skill slots vs 64. So accept the fact there are still *elite* oldschool players like karla around who want their good old gw back. They dont wanna form gut group and end at 4 wins cuz some noobs wanna farm. They dont wanna accept random buffs made be pro skill balancer izzy (yeah buff ench removals even more and let skillful prot bars fall into oblivion) so the only viable monk template atm is that HC shit.

Back in time I entered TA, the first 4 games were vs wammos or bonders or even meteor shower ele with mending and every 5th game was strong balanced grp which offered a real challenge. Now I enter TA, the first 4 games remain the same but the 5th one is either this or R/D crap or shove spike which lead to annoying boring unfair long battles which I rly dont enjoy Im sry.

So yeah... more HC monks and have fun.

The Unknown X · Mar 07, 2008, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Yes well I agree fully with the hate of Shove Spike and the R/D build.

I'm sorry for the homework comment that was out of line. However some people are posting personal attacks on me, rather than the build itself.

Sab · Mar 07, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

Sorry where did I write that. You stink of immaturity, not even worth my time.

Apology accepted for failing to read the first sentence of the paragraph I quoted:

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

Yet instead of being able to ENJOY the game because thats all it is, its a GAME.

"It's just a game" is a pretty bad argument for keeping gimmicks, don't you think?

Popo · Mar 07, 2008, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Ugh, another thread where people can't handle others disagreeing. That's not elitism, that's ignorance.

It's painfully obvious you guys are ignoring Unkown's arguments and are simply resorting to straw man fallacies because you dislike the position he's (or she) has taken.

Unknown is not saying "ZOMG IT'S JUST A GAME LETS NUBZZ PLAY." That is not even close to the main point of his argument so it's not only unnecessary, but innacurate to put so much emphasis on such a small portion of the posts.

Unknown has already conceded it takes less skill to play the build, but has also emphasized the opinion that HC monks have their flaws that cannot be remedied by mindless spamming and that is the balancing factor. Namely, they do not posses the ability to prot like other monks, and their main condition/hex removal are enchantments limited to one other ally.

I don't even have to agree with Unknown on the opinions expressed to realize how ridiculous the actions others have taken are.